So, on a forum I go to there is a debate/thread thing about gun laws, and this kid is just so… STUPID. I’m pretty sure an entire hemisphere of my brain has died. And before you say so, I know he’ll probably never see the simple fact that I am right, and he is wrong, but I don’t care as long as I win. Allow me to post the thing as it goes, and I’ll continue to update:
HIM:
“No but if I buy a gun and commit a crime with it I am not going to care if the gun was obtained legally. And if you where there in that room with cho what would you do would you want a gun you would want a gun right yes. If everyone had a gun on them there would be NO street crime at all since everyone has a gun. You think cops should have a gun why not everyone else think about it if you where in a bank being robbed would you want to wait 10 min for the police (dammit sting when are you going to get here) no you are not they will be long gone by then you could stop it there and then. There is 250,000,000 million guns in the US if you try to stop them you will fail the horse is out of the barn. That is my point is anyone you me that guy walking by my house can go and ilegally get a gun and if you where going to kill someone with it would you care no. Some people have this idea of what a gun owner is and I would be willing to bet you could not be able to spot one if you interviewed them %25 of the US own s a gun. if you take the gun what are people going too kill each other with cross bows some people have this idea that is we take the gun people will not kill each other no they did not have guns in the old days and they managed to kill each other just fine. And star you are scared of guns that dose not mean they should be controlled more that is your personal problem you need to overcome I think you should ask your father if you can go to a gun range and take a class and see what you are putting down and see what gun owners are really like everyone else. You should watch the show explorer and watch guns in america and see the woman that takes the gun class at the gun range that is what they are really like and madder a fact that is the range I shoot at it is dominion shooting range inc.”
ME:
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Originally Posted by john  No but if I buy a gun and commit a crime with it I am not going to care if the gun was obtained legally. And if you where there in that room with cho what would you do would you want a gun you would want a gun right yes. If everyone had a gun on them there would be NO street crime at all since everyone has a gun.
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That’s… kinda like saying if everyone had a knife, no one would get stabbed because everyone could stab back. It doesn’t work that way. Part of the point of gun laws is having it all licensed and registered far more strictly than they already are in the US, making it a lot easier to at least catch someone if they DO commit a crime with the gun. I know it won’t stop crime to enforce stricter gun laws, but I fail to see how making them more readily available could possibly help.
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Originally Posted by john You think cops should have a gun why not everyone else think about it if you where in a bank being robbed would you want to wait 10 min for the police (dammit sting when are you going to get here) no you are not they will be long gone by then you could stop it there and then.
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It usually takes longer than 10 minutes to rob a bank, especially if it’s a decent size, and as soon as the alarm is pushed the police will be sent on their way. And if a bank is being robbed, and you start shooting at the robbers, the robbers will start shooting at you. You can’t shoot two or more people at the same time. And if EVERYONE has a gun, then there’s guaranteed to be a few people shot. In fact, if someone came in to a bank and planned to rob it (which I guarantee they will anyway), they’d quite likely just come in and shoot as many people as they can so they can’t shoot back, rather than scare them with the guns and get them out of the way. Someone robbing a bank right now, more often than not, will use the gun as a threat rather than a weapon unless necessary.
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Originally Posted by john There is 250,000,000 million guns in the US if you try to stop them you will fail the horse is out of the barn. That is my point is anyone you me that guy walking by my house can go and ilegally get a gun and if you where going to kill someone with it would you care no.
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There’s a difference between being able to and knowing where to. The people who WOULD go and get one illegally can, at the beginning, go get one legally with your current laws. While by no means impossible, it’s still far more difficult to get illegal firearms than it is to go to a gun store and buy some.
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Originally Posted by john Some people have this idea of what a gun owner is and I would be willing to bet you could not be able to spot one if you interviewed them %25 of the US own s a gun.
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The problem isn’t what a gun owner is, it’s what they might be. The stricter laws wouldn’t make it impossible for people wanting them for legitimate reasons to get them, it would just take longer because there would be more precautions taken in selling them.
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Originally Posted by john if you take the gun what are people going too kill each other with cross bows some people have this idea that is we take the gun people will not kill each other no they did not have guns in the old days and they managed to kill each other just fine.
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They’ve had bombards since the 1100′s, and basic guns since at least the mid-1200′s. They’ve had guns for a long time, they just didn’t start off very accurate. And while I might be mistaken, I think a crossbow is still classified as a firearm and would be subject to the same or similar regulations. Tightening gun restrictions wouldn’t stop killings by any means, but it would probably still lower them to some extent. You don’t generally find people out there who can use a sword or bows and so on properly, and it’s significantly harder to stab someone and get out unscathed unless you can catch them off guard. If someone sees you coming with a knife and can’t run away, they will try to fight back, and you can’t do much from a distance unless you’re extremely talented at knife throwing.
HIM:
Yes about the knife but they only could fish back with a knife.
And you are full of crap most bank robberys are just some idiots walking a bank and telling them to give’em the cash.
no I can illegally get a gun the black market is out on the internet.
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Originally Posted by spacemarine288 i think every house should have a gun (in the US, that is). In a national survay, criminals said the 1. thing they were scared of when they were robbing a house or bisness, was that they had a gun.
So, if we put a gun in every house, i think burgerleries will go down FAST.
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Well as childish as you put it it is true. If everyone had a gun these guys would be killed and they would know not to do it.
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If most bank robberies were just some idiot walking in, then you wouldn’t need a gun for protection, you could overpower him with sheer numbers. Also, they usually put at least some planning into it; they’d see into this and have some sort of weapon in case they need it. They wouldn’t go in, shoot someone, and THEN say “give me the money” because that would just cause unnecessary complications.
And no… not really. It would be MASSIVELY stupid to sell illegal guns on the internet. It would be ridiculously easy to trace if you got caught. It’s not like there’s an eBay Underground out there. The majority of the black market is hidden and done behind closed doors, not out there for public access. The whole reason it’s called “black” is because it’s hidden.
Addition: They get killed, incarcerated, and so on already, and it still hasn’t stopped them. Most people break into houses when they’re pretty sure no one is home TO shoot them.
HIM:
See this is what lirbrals do they yell at you and don’t get to the point.
It is simple if you have a gun you are safer there I said it what can you say about that if you had a gun and you where there with cho you could save a lot of people it is plain and simple. My point is not what bank robbers do my point is it you need to defend yourself a gun dose the job just fine and if you are attacked in anyway having a gun would be a god send. And if everyone had a gun on them there would be no street crime it is plain and simple. Like I said in isreal there is no street crime since everyone has a gun you do anything you aint going to last long.
ME:
I fail to see where I yelled at anyone, while you told me I’m full of crap, but alright.
If you have a gun, yes, it’s possible you could save people. But if everyone can have a gun, then there will be a lot of unnecessary bloodshed. If two people get in a fight, it doesn’t matter if they both have a gun, it matters which one of them can shoot faster. In your robbery scenario, you could scare or kill the robber, but no one would just pull out a gun and shoot him if they could avoid having to kill someone. If they could get him to just give up, so much the better. But if he chooses to shoot first and give people a reason to kill, then at least one person will be dead before he’s done. Now, if there’s a group of them, how many more will end up injured or killed before they’re taken out?
I don’t think you understand the lack of logic in giving more guns to people somehow reducing gun crime. People haven’t exactly proven themselves to be that intelligent, especially when emotional over something. It would only give people more chances to use them, and that would be taken advantage of.
Also, there is street crime in Israel, though I admit it is low compared to in our societies. Though drug trafficking and car thefts have been a rising concern there for the past while, and they are in a constant state of military threat from almost everyone in the Middle East. They don’t all have guns, though: the men all have weapons training as part of their military service, but outside of the military they aren’t nearly as prevelant as to say everyone has one.